JazLyte 2008-08-30 14:32:53

Oh snap, I forgot you were a sprite animator lol. Let me put it to you this way, my series Nightgun IS inspired by a few different shows, Hellsing, FMA, Samurai Champloo, Afro Samurai I'll be the first to admit it. And you're right, there's nothing wrong with that.
But it would be something wrong with it if I used programs to cut out the character drawings from Samurai Champloo, rearranged them in different backgrounds from the same show, added my own voice actors and put my name on it. That's just plain theft, and I would probly fire on somebody if I caught them doing that with any of my movie. I still spent years developing my own plotlines, character designs and animations. I dare you to just give making your own work and not stealing Yuji Naka's a try.

gmoeny01 2008-08-30 14:45:32

lol spritez

well i not much of a sprite animater but try it once or twice.
it greatly limits what you can do, all you can really do with sprite is make them fight
cuz that what they was made for. (a lot of sprite come for games where you have to fight stuff)
unless you know how to edit sprites, your stuck with just a bunch of attecking, running, jumping
sprite.

about alvin-earthworm he have a effect kind of like egorathor. only difference is that avlin fans
compare EVREYTHING that is a sprite fight to SMBZ! it crazy but heck what can we do?
the fans will complain and compare one way or another

XxdeathpriestxX 2008-08-30 15:12:06

I agree!!!

KINGYAJR 2008-08-30 15:25:00

I see where you are going with it and I also think he might have stop makeing his movies cause of all that bugging.I to wish to make some sprite movies and not worry that some one will say its not as good as whatever....but then agian I dont have a flash or evern know where to get one so Im down about that and its good to hear what others are thinking about whats going on with NGs so no one should hate on you your just telling it how it really is thats all.Good luck on your work and 1st movie hope you take your time on it so it can be more then you think it will be.^-^

SS4FlameAlchemist 2008-08-30 15:27:44

You are right partly. He was the reason I came onto newgrounds. And I have compared sprite movies to his. I don't so much anymore though. Well, sprite movies aren't declining because of alvin. There are good series out there, like yours and a few others. It is the author's laziness that is the problem. I love sprite movies that are well made. Yours was a good example. Alvin is one of the few that did put a lot of effort into it.

dec-1310 2008-08-30 15:37:21

Well, yeah, I know what you mean; if you want don't believe meh, but I read all that.
Yeah, I already knew why AEW retired, the fans didn't STFU so he got out of newgrounds, and sincerely, I felt how the weight of the world got away from his arms and the fact he stopped flash, stop getting PM's etc.
Right you are: Sprite movies don't need to be DBZ or Naruto type of fight, check for example pigeonmaster's flashes or check Thwomps: the movie, Thwomps made an enjoyable fight scene, WITH NO DBZ THINGYS, maybe some of Mario's mover while killing the Thwomps were but that was part of the joke...
Alvin's flash were good when HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO MADE DBZ STYLE FLASHES!!!
The fact is the holy ORIGINALITY!!!! I used to be a sprite maker, yeah, I didn't retire, just that i stopped, Falco's paradox was going to be a Sprite Flash, but I changed the style to FBF since people were bumping with shitty reviews. So guys, FIRST OF ALL!!! Sprite haters please, just do this super simple thing, DONT WATCH DAMN SPRITE MOVIES AND JUST VOTE 0, 1, OR 2 OR BETTER, DONT EVEN VOTE!!!
And sprite animator, creating a DBZ sprite movie is difficult, and quite taking, but in this actual world everyone just care about SEX, SEX, AND MOAR SEX... I can bet ther are EVEN madness haters, Pico haters, SSBB haters, and EVEN AWESOME HATERS....
IF YOU MAKE YOUR SPRITES; YOUR MOVIE CAN BE GREAT!!!
My first Flash passed just because I made the BigFuzzyKitten sprite, which sucked actually...
Now, Haters such as Zekey etc. just don't watch the Flashes and to Sprite animators, try a different style, first because SMBZ is over, no one likes them anymore, and ALSO is HELL DIFFICULT TO MAKE, all those effects are just too complicated at least for me.... Dave Dec Shade 1310, OUT!!!

ramun-flame 2008-08-30 16:03:32

I hate to go off topic, but nice picture. Have fun reading all these rants.

S-K 2008-08-30 16:07:48

Quite the contrary Alvin-earthworm and Proxicide are the main guys who put major signs of effort By effort I'm talking more then just sprite ripping, sprite edits, pop culture jokes, "it's funny because *insert game character name here* is in it" and generally over the top fanservice, although ironically their fanboy story ideas are the main reason for their praise with the work they put into it coming 2nd.

and don't even get me started on Dragonball Z! DBZ fights have been done to death and need to die or at the very least some new ideas, you can't expect yourself NOT to be compared to the best when you're doing a variation of basically the same fight choreography EVERY sprite animator has done.

FightingSeraph 2008-08-30 16:27:33

I see where you're coming from on this, and I think AE needs to learn how to take harsh criticism. Speaking of improving drawing skills, I'm working on mine so I would have some credibility.

kikoafu 2008-08-30 16:48:44

I agree in a way with you sprites animations have decayed alot( the best example is sprite TV 3 just ew), but its not Alvin earthworm its just the fact people dont get the right ideas and even if DBZ fights ahve been made to death his skills are WAY WAY better than the avarage animator and hes one of the best ones around however it sucks to be compared to him and i agree with you in that specialy if the person who reviews CANT do somehting better than you do so -high fives to you- , but one thing though is you cant blame alvin for being good u have to blame people for being well "people"

Erreip199 2008-08-30 17:31:39

High FPS doesnt make action fast, its how the animator uses his frames and i think alvin uses 24 fps, im not planing to get into sprites i find em quite complicated and id rather use drawn things than pixels for quality =) but that doesnt mean i hate sprites, its just not the thing id preffer to animate with

ninjakoopa-33 2008-08-30 18:19:40

It's true.
Every sprite animation is compared to SMBZ. I think the reason sprite animations are dying is 'cause people try to do the exact same thing that he does. If people could just stop creating their own DBZ-style fights and make something original, it could probably save sprite animations.

Sodaku 2008-08-30 18:22:31

Well its a really goos series. But its actually retarted when people have to say that SMBZ is better than any other flash. Whoop dee doo its just a flash. WHat BDX is trying to say is that just because SMBZ is reeally cool and all. DOesn't mea u have t otell otherpeople about SMBZ by comparising. It kinds makes people stop making sprites and makes people feel sad that it ain't good as SMBZ.

casul 2008-08-30 19:36:15

true enough, its a shame for sprite movies, but think about, in my opinion everyone needs a torch of light to go with, and with that a torch carrier. now DB (i use DB as i know there is three versions, just DB, then Z and then GT so use DB more since it can refer to other than just Z) is quite often mis-understood, as anyone who uses the energy blast idea is instantly put down for DB style which is unfortunate as DB style is a combnation of the fast teleportions, exaggerated hits (eg. a punch that is shown to have streched the struck area beyond normal ability), countinous struggles and energy blasts, now i understand that in this day and age there are haters and fans, there always will be. now i enjoy alvins style and series but i have come to the terms of wanting to smack him in the jaw for not just telling it to our face. now lets just carry on to other things, like actually animating things, now i've seen alot of them, the ones however i enjoy most are the ones with fully coloured bodys, and voices, or just fully draw bodys (spikevalentine for one) but i know the hard work that goes into them, but i've seen that alvin has gotten lax with his flash and such, and so i believe you should just leave it alone, true we have DB fights and such, and if done RIGHT are amazing, however the breed is dieing due to shitty planning on the plot of the fight (flow, direction whatever you call it) often having a one sided thing going, SHIT, a flash that shows an equal fight between two is increible because when moving fast you are excited over whose gonna be the winner. now listen well (i by no means are saying i'm better than you, by far i'm properly shit compared to you, but hell, theres a word for people like me who love drawing and try their damnest to draw good drawing (not flashs tho) and thats a dreamer, the founder of tomorrow) you shouldn't call DB style worthless, yo should consdier the fact that you can only get the most intence bare hand fights with such things (stickmen normally, but i have seen some real shit out there) and since bare hand is normally the easiest for a starting flash animator, they normally use DB style as a base for such things since there not any weapons to draw. call me a defender, a desperate defender, or whatever, i don't care, i stand with my words. the only thing that makes a style of animation or kind of movie wax and wane with strength is the animators at the time, remember that

ThePigeonMaster 2008-08-30 20:00:06

I totally agree. i mean, the series are OK but it kinda "washed" everyone brains. Make them thing like: A sprite movie has to be DBZ related or something.

Alvin is an awesome animator, fucking awesome to be honest. But he kinda screwed the image of the sprite animation.

As a sprite animator myself I've learned everybody's mistakes and mines! In my next sprite flash I will be original and seek for stuff made by MYSELF. Not only the story, even there may be some sprites made by MYSELF.

The sprite animation is in danger, in my opinion. And Alvin hasn't all the guilt, many spriters have it, including me :(

Razorshardz 2008-08-30 20:18:22

Nice post, I agree with you the whole way.

MindChamber 2008-08-30 23:09:24

I love all mediums of entertainment and storytelling, sprite animations are one of them as long as they are done with creativity and the creators dont take themselves to seriously.

theres to many anime lovin faggots out there with a good eye for color that think they have a right to tell the rest of us what we should and shouldn't like.
and saying that Alvin didn raise the bar is kinda wrong, he did, his action granted isnt at the level of proxides but its way better than anyone elses out there.
and since most of theses kids are doing mario sprite movies its only far they will compare it to the best ones out there. which is alvins.
SF spriters are fucked tho cause Proxide will hold that claim for a long long time.

Half the original FBF animators cant produce the flash effects Proxide can do, including Adam Phillps and others. Hes more of a flash master than most animators out there cause he has MASTERED Flash. Being a traditional animator that animates in flash doesn't not make you a flash master.
so my point is, when it comes to sprite movies with mario and sonic characters
Alvn killed it. and so far no one as done it better.

NethBlack 2008-08-30 23:47:03

I like other things than SMBZ so I really don't care if the next episode comes out or not. Also SMBZ fans shut the f..k up about the next episode, I know you want it, but just watch the other ones and do the things you like to do ok?

Gaaz 2008-08-31 17:52:40

Thanks, Blackdevil for posting that. People need to realise that making fast paced action scenes that copy DBZ is not what makes an epic sprite movie.

PKforce323 2008-08-31 18:48:57

Have you noticed a lot of famous authors on NG have been commenting on this post? Users like Kirberphor15 (famous for TTA) MindChamber (he's like an admin or something? correct me if i'm wrong) and DuDul, of all people DuDul was here XD and HadokenDude too? Your attracting a lot of attention.

Oh yeah I forgot about the main topic XD.

I just realized a lot of NG users just don't like sprites because they think it's "unoriginal" So what? If I made a series of sprite movies, would it make me a bad author and animator just because I, how Ashei says "TWEEN SONIC AND MARIO AROUND THE SCREEN WITH DRAGON BALL Z SOUND EFFECTS?" Well listen up jackasses, and listen good because i wont repeat myself: SPRITE MOVIES AND HAND DRAWN MOVIES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!! Some idiots think the of sprite animators are lazy and put no effort in their movies. Well guess what? If they didn't put any effort into their movies, then they wouldn't be getting high scores. Sprite Haters listen to this and listen good because a lot of you Sprite Haters are hard at hearing: Don't say stuff like " SPRITES ARE HORRIBLE AND UNORIGINAL" because Sprites aren't unoriginal. People just copy the sprites and animate them, whats so bad about that? Oh and being a Sprite Animator doesnt automatically make you lazy.

I forgot to mention RubberNinja in the grouop of famous NG users above Xl